🧠 Feedback needed: Space Setup redesign prototype

[mdubakov]

We are working on better Fibery experience for Creators, and thinking about Space Setup screen redesign. Please check this loom with the main ideas

And also you can check Figma prototype

Figma

What do you think about it?
Is it better?
Does it solve some problems you have?
Do you have better ideas or improvements?
Let us know!

[sereganabokar]

Hi. Looks interesting. I’m not sure if it’s related to this improvement, but it would be nice if it was possible to group Rules in some way. Now we face a problem when navigation through the created rules is not very convenient because of their number.
I decided to write about it because the layouts look as if it is possible to add folders somewhere.

ср, 17 июл. 2024 г. в 15:04, Michael Dubakov via Fibery Community <notifications@fibery.discoursemail.com>:

[Ryan_Dejaegher]

I like it, it helps keep context by having the database components (data, fields etc.) visible in the sidebar.

I know the focus is on using this as a Space Setup screen but I think View could be generally useful as a focused Subspace because it filters down the sidebar.

[Illusory]

Love it. I still think there is a need for a “Filter/Search” in sidebar to “only show” Folder > Subitems that match the keyword placed in Filter/Search.

Ref: Feature Request: Filter for sidebar

[Industry]

My opinion as a non-tech SME:

I think the breakdown here is intuitive and logical, in theory this should be easier to understand (other than the fact it’s using the same sidebar in two different ways and could be slightly confusing initially).

I personally don’t have any problems with the existing location of these items, so I wouldn’t say it solves a current pain point.

Side note (as perhaps this isn’t a large feature to add):
What I am waiting for is the ability to use URL parameters (or even better, a unique link) to pre-fill hidden fields in forms as this unlocks a load of use cases for feedback gathering, surveys, customer interactions and various other triggers etc.

[gasserol]

@mdubakov This is a great idea and really simplifies the usage of Fibery. The separation between ‘how one uses Fibery’ and the configuration/setup of space is cool and helps declutter the interface. BR, Oliver

[mdubakov]

@Industry

Side note (as perhaps this isn’t a large feature to add):
What I am waiting for is the ability to use URL parameters (or even better, a unique link) to pre-fill hidden fields in forms as this unlocks a load of use cases for feedback gathering, surveys, customer interactions and various other triggers etc.

Hmm, I think it was implemented in winter
https://the.fibery.io/@public/User_Guide/Guide/Forms-134/anchor=Set-initial-field-values-via-URL--8dbfb9a0-65a7-4952-8cbb-b138d8d8aff5

fibery_io/public/forms/wLLEvDIy?What+is+your+name%3F=Dmitry&date=2022-01-01&free-shipping=yes&price=340

Do I miss something?

[Beth]

This looks great to me- would feel a lot more natural to use. Would love to be able to access the database related sections from the sidebar!

[Industry]

The fields can’t be hidden though as far as I’m aware?

For example, I have a meeting record and I want to gather feedback on that meeting with a link via email using a form. I could have a field on the form with related_id that is auto populated based on the url parameter etc. The problem is that this is visible to the user and they can change it.

[mdubakov]

AFAIK you can set ANY field for Database, so just hide it from the Form View and it should be OK

[RonMakesSystems]

This looks great!! Makes setting up a lot clearer, makes data, fields, rules, buttons, access templates, and views on the same “importance level”. Which is great as it really encourages users who set up to use all the powerful features Fibery has to offer.

Some thoughts:

1. Databases look like spaces, confused me a bit at first look. Maybe including the Spaces as the top level, in the sidebar can be clearer? But this might just be a thing of getting used to. This way you can also show all the different spaces, and the ability to change and edit their fields (across spaces) faster. As well drag around the databases across spaces.
2. I really like the current 50 entity limit, and the inability to choose different columns and sort. it really shows that this view isn’t about viewing data, but for creating structure. Wondering why change that? I think that if change, indeed making it all reset per session would be better.
3. Are the views the thing that is shown in the main user folder? Folders are in the view section as well? Maybe calling that, “Sidebar Views” or “Sidebar” could make that clearer. Maybe having 2 folders: Backend and Frontend. Frontend is the sidebar view.

Overall looks like a great development to Workspace setup!!

[RonMakesSystems]

Not to be that guy, but your user guide begs to differ :
https://the.fibery.io/@public/User_Guide/Guide/Set-Initial-Field-Values-via-URL-Parameter-on-Form-View-246/anchor=You-can-only-provide-default-values-for--aded9ab2-35e9-44c4-a181-cc7deb1c87a7

[mdubakov]

@RonMakesSystems

Not to be that guy, but your user guide begs to differ :

OMG indeed I forgot about it!

[mdubakov]

@Industry

The fields can’t be hidden though as far as I’m aware?

It appears you are correct, I added a feature to add a setting that will allow set hidden fields. I hope we will implement it in 2-3 weeks

[ccollins]

I like this a lot. It seems much more intuitive. The video didn’t mention if reordering rules and buttons would be possible. That’s a pain point right now. If you have a lot of automation rules and buttons for a single database, you can’t sort them into an intuitive order. So I end up having to read the entire list to find which one I’m looking for.

Bonus points if you added the ability to reorder buttons and it reflected the new order on the entity context menu.

Reorder Context Menu Buttons

I’ve mentioned this in the past, but thought I’d submit as an official idea for tracking/conversation. See sketch below. The one on the left is the current right click for our tasks database. The buttons are listed in the order they were created, but this is not the order I would present them in. This is tiny thing that constantly bugs me, but I would love to be able to reorder them. Also in my opinion the top actions should just be icons with hover descriptions like they are everywhere else. …

[mdubakov]

@ccollins

The video didn’t mention if reordering rules and buttons would be possible. That’s a pain point right now. If you have a lot of automation rules and buttons for a single database, you can’t sort them into an intuitive order. So I end up having to read the entire list to find which one I’m looking for.

Indeed it will be possible to reorder all the things, including rules, buttons, databases, views, etc. So it is in scope.

[interr0bangr]

Looks like a great step forward to me! Love that you’re considering using the sidebar more for space/database management.

Some questions and thoughts:

1. You’ve said yes this will allow rule reordering now, which is great, but will this also unlock the ability to duplicate rules?

2. I would also think this is a great opportunity to rename “Share” to something more relevant like “Access” or “Collaborators” or something. When I see Share, I think of sharing a link on social media or slack, when in reality that’s the place that space-level user permissions are created and managed. “Access Templates” (aka Permissions) are essentially the same concept just at the database-level, right? I always get those 2 areas confused…doesn’t help that the role names awkwardly half match between them either.
   In my mind, users get “Access” to spaces and databases allow for more granular “Permissions” to be set.

3. I would recommend renaming “Integrate” to “Integrations” and putting it at the top under “Share” (or if you take my suggestion in point #2, “Access” ). Seems weird that it’s at the bottom under the “add database” button.

4. Also agree with @RonMakesSystems that from a UX perspective, databases in the sidebar start to look a lot like spaces now and users could maybe be get a little disoriented as to what they’re looking at. My suggestion is just to add a “Databases” label (in your mockup, between “Share” and “Category”) similar to how you have a “Spaces” label in the “main” sidebar.

[grex22]

I LOVE this approach, absolute home run for me. I have always felt a little bit of friction at the number of clicks it can take to access a specific automation rule for editing, and the navigation always felt a little disjointed. This approach unifies all space setup into one clean interface, and it makes me quite happy

My only question at this point is, under this new UI, you can now configure Views in two separate places. Would this approach replace the ability to edit / create a View on the “frontend”? Or would you simply be able to edit / add in two separate interfaces?

[RonMakesSystems]

@grex22

Would this approach replace the ability to edit / create a View on the “frontend”? Or would you simply be able to edit / add in two separate interfaces?

See Airtable Apps for a reference that does this. 3 completely different interfaces for 1. Data back end. 2. App setup 3. Final app front end. Very interesting way this is done, and I think Fibery can do it better.

A big advantage of this is that the set can be more complicated and intricate without being in the way or too cluttered in the front end. One example: Creating a “hidden” smart folder. there the folder itself isnt shown and just entities are there. Setting it up in frontend is tricky because it will be hidden. But in the back end it can be shown and one of the config can be “Don’t show in folder”.