Native Apps (Apple, Android, etc.)

@mdubakov I was wondering if there is an estimated timeline for improving the mobile web experience of Fibery. As @Oshyan mentioned, I don’t think a native app is a high priority (at least for me), but I think having fibery render properly on mobile devices would be quite useful. I often need to look through meeting notes while away from my laptop and having screens half appear and generally render poorly is a bit annoying. I also like to have one screen floating on the iPad while on video conferencing calls to take notes, but that also causes rendering issues.

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+1 I know responsive is a tricky thing (not as time-consuming as developing native apps, but still…) but on the other hand I feel Fibery is already halfway there. A few adjustments / bugfixes (thinking about search especially…and sidebar navigation) would be enough to allow to quickly glance at meeting notes or add a simple entity on the go, without necessarily redoing the UX of all pages.

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I know it’s been about a year since this got any action, but it’s still a key piece for my team, and seems to have more users actually supporting the request here but haven’t actually voted if I’m reading the votes right - which incidentally looks like 5? But the counter says just 4…

Thanks and hoping this gets movement sometime soon, feel like there’s good support!

4 votes as of right now

It appears you removed your vote :wink: It may be a bug, if you hadn’t actually ever voted for it. But if you had, then you may have accidentally removed it and been over your limit for other semi-complicated reasons and thus been unable to re-vote for it (hence showing “limit”). The popup showing who voted may just not have been updated by the system (Discourse) yet. All theorizing here though. Bottom line: 4 votes currently, none of them yours. :thinking:

I just mentioned this over in your discussion on Lack of Work Management features in Fibery (Reminders, Dependencies, Notifications, My Work, etc.), and glad to see this request has picked up steam - triple the votes in a few months, that’s huge by this forum’s standard. However, the math still doesn’t add up:

I am counting 12 votes!! Yes, my own too, I never removed it! So the argument that it’s a bug looks incorrect?

and always happy to have Darth Maul on my side :grinning: (the first vote)

Odd indeed, because my view doesn’t show you as a vote, shows 13 currently, and all are accounted for. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Your Votes are here, and I don’t see this one either:

I would really like (actually, I really need) some sort of Mobile experience if I am going to make Fibery work for my use case.

I work out in the field about 75% of the time. Whilst I do get onto my Laptop (MacBook) and Desktop (Mac Mini), when I am out and moving around in the field (actually doing my work) I need to be able to (at a minimum;

  • Capture Tasks as they come to hand (even if I can’t relate them to a Project until later when at the Laptop/PC).
  • Check off Tasks and Checklist items when in the field.
  • Preferably time tasks as they are undertaken.
  • Preferably see my tasks on a calendar view (at a minimum, a daily view).
  • Capture notes and/or images relating to tasks and/or projects.
  • Capture/edit client contact details.

As a bonus, the Mobile App could (really, it should) have the ability to work with local database offline so when in low/poor/no signal areas one can work with the Mobile App and it updates once you are back in range.

I realise that this is all far easier for me to say than it is for Fibery to execute, but I am just putting it out there so you are aware that MANY business owners/operators/managers rarely sit in front of a computer 24/7. Even dedicated office workers will need to move around and still have access to their system. Otherwise it is not really a system. It is somewhat broken.

If Fibery can’t produce a mobile App, then maybe an integration with another App might resolve the issue. Maybe a 2 Way sync of tasks with Sunsama or Taskade or Todoist or TickTick. All of these provide various aspects of Task Management with mobile Apps.

Sunsama lets you bring in events/tasks from multiple sources and lets you schedule them on a calendar and has a Mobile App (but no offline mode).

Taskade lets you schedule tasks them on a calendar, syncs with Google Calendar and has a Mobile App (but no offline mode).

Todoist lets you schedule tasks (but doesn’t have a calendar), syncs with Google Calendar and has a Mobile App (AND has an offline mode).

TickTick lets you schedule tasks (but doesn’t have a calendar), I think it syncs with Google Calendar and has a Mobile App (but no offline mode).

Maybe that’s the better way to go???

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I assume you’ve tried the existing Mobile Web version (i.e. through a web browser)? It’s actually not bad, just a tad slow ([probably depending on your phone’s JavaScript performance). And of course no offline support. But I’ve been pleasantly surprised. I’m pretty sure you can most of what you outline above.

This is a pretty interesting idea actually. I have previously requested this more broadly: Bi-directional integrations/sync But I was primarily thinking of wanting to write from Fibery back to the other tools and I didn’t even think of the potential additional utility there of being able to edit certain data via other tools that have dedicated mobile apps. This reminds me of how Obsidian did things before they had their own mobile app, and it worked actually quite well. And hey, any additional support for bi-directional integrations is something I can get behind. :grin:

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Hello Oshyan.

Thanks for the reply. I actually didn’t know about the existing Mobile Version (web extension). I guess that might do the trick until they come up with a more dedicated solution(?). I will have to give it a try. Not sure how that even works??? Is it a download or just a matter of using it via the device and browser?

I used Fibery the other day on an iPad Pro and although it seemed ok, the touch functionality was a bit clunky and I couldn’t browse templates. It was just stuck on the screen in one spot.

Yeh, I know offline support is a big ask, but it is sometimes a necessity when you are mobile and not able to get decent internet. Otherwise it becomes a definite friction point. Some of my jobs (field work) are in poor to no service areas (and this is very frustrating on a number of levels) so some sort of offline mode would be fantastic (probably much easier said than done).

Yeh, I wondered if Fibery could/would work in with one of the more specialised planning solutions that already have a Mobile App. I know that Sunsama works with Email (Microsoft Outlook), Gmail, Notion, Todoist, ClickUp, Git Hub, Jira, Trello, and Asana. It brings in ALL of these Apps (or a selection of these to suit the user) into one place. You can then plan out your tasks based on your workload/availability. It works exceptionally well. It has some reasonable level of 2 way sync with some/most/all of the Apps (I don’t use all of them).

So, if for example, you used Outlook you can create a Task in Sunsama from an email You can mark it read, archive when done etc. You can bring in Tasks from Notion and Todoist and also interact and mark those as done.

So MAYBE something like this MIGHT work in with Fibery and provide a Mobile experience at the same time. I believe that Sunsama users have requested this integration (Fibery/Sunsama) but I don’t know how long (if at all) something like this might take to happen.

I think Fibery could be a really good fit for my use case but I am trying to minimise the friction points so that my workflow is relatively smooth.

I know that there isn’t any such thing as a “perfect App” (been there, tried the likes of ClickUp etc but that concept was all marketing and hype) but even though Fibery is extremely flexible and customisable, in my opinion there are just a few fundamentals missing from the platform that might take it from “good” to “bloody fantastic”.

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Just chipping in my thoughts here. Normally I’m always the first one to request a mobile app. In this one case, however, I would actually lean towards not being so adamant about it.

Here’s my reasoning (and speaking only from my own experience, I don’t have any insider knowledge on Fibery). What Fibery is doing really is in a “goldilocks” zone. It’s doing things that I’ve never seen, and I’ve seen (and used) nearly everything. There’s literally usecases being solved here that I’ve tried to solve for many years, and often I’m able to implement what I need in mere minutes. I’m thrilled to be implementing this slowly in multiple companies. A lot of the UI is very intuitive (formulas, etc.) and there’s a ton of features that are really nicely built out. That being said, IMHO there’s a very large UX debt because of how many (powerful) features have been built. There’s a lot of simple UX wins that need to happen really bad. There’s also many features that, while VERY groundbreaking, are in my view only ~75% delivered. Huge props and admiration to the whole Fibery team to have the vision and chops to pull off the impossible.

But here’s the catch: adding on native mobile from web-only is a huge lift, requiring much more resources, and demands splitting focus. It’s not at all merely an ‘additive’ function, it’s an exponential increase in execution challenges and resources. This would be even more pronounced given the power (and complexity) of Fibery. That’s not to say Fibery isn’t positioned for this already or doesn’t have the resources - I have no info at all on that.

If Fibery goes native mobile right now/soon, it’s very likely that all the other feature requests - that I believe are crucial not only for usability and existing adoption but more importantly for accelerated growth and operating runway - all those other feature requests would most likely take longer. Maybe some folks here using Fibery more for light biz or personal usecases wouldn’t be impacted as much, but fwiw I’d far prefer to see other areas in the platform addressed first.

Just my 23 cents :laughing:

For background, I’m a product leader in various tech projects/companies, some client work, some internal products. And even thought those are all heavy biz usecases, I’m hoping to also use Fibery for personal too, moving completely off of Notion (LOVE the Fibery “feed view” for that!).

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I’ve been using Fibery as my primary daily PKM for a couple months now, including basic things that demand mobile like shopping lists. Quite honestly it works surprisingly well in a mobile browser (Chrome). It feels odd to me that there is very little other feedback in this topic from people actually trying to use the browser version, e.g. “The mobile version is OK, but it needs X, Y, Z to really be good, and I think for that it needs a native app”. This is especially so when you look at recent feedback, and unless I’m mistaken, Fibery team did notably improve mobile over the last year or two (certainly it’s miles better than when I first tried it 2-3 yrs ago).

The one major issue I have is that the Android keyboard selection handling menu shows up over the top of the Fibery one, so it’s difficult and sometimes impossible to do some things with selected text, e.g. formatting or Linking. Not sure if the native cut/copy/paste selection menu is something that can be suppressed in the browser, but I think so. That’d be a nice improvement.

Offline is a whole 'nother level, of course, and probably does require an app of some kind (although doesn’t Chrome have some facility for this?). But aside from that I honestly find Fibery mobile to be largely adequate. What are people’s specific issues with it?

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Agreed, mobile web is fairly ok. I would prefer to see a few updates there but nothing remotely deal-breaking, i.e. the other day I attempted to view a timeline on mobile but due to the UX on such a small screen ended up inadvertently moving a few timeline items around without knowing it. Maybe have it start in a read-only view initially for some views (some other vendor just implemented this recently - read only on complex+sensitive views, can’t remember who it was).

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First good thing to do on mobile is to add fibery as a shortcut on your mobile home screen with Chrome mobile app. It will be full screen like an app. :pray:

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I think the best first step is to do what Tana did, and create a Fibery app that makes it easy to dump data into Fibery. (Essentially, a glorified but useful native form).

Example: ‎Tana Capture on the App Store


Main Tana app Features:

  • Scan text
  • Upload Media
  • Write
  • Voice Memo

Preview of the app’s home page, writing component and “history”. It does not let you view data stored in Tana; it only allows you to push data. A “View” button would be nice in History to redirect you to the Tana record via web.

An equivalent would be a Fibery app that allows you to select the forms you’ve created and input data into Fibery.

Serving notifications as push notifications to the app would be awesome as well.

Similar to how you can use Slack to create an entity or Fibery Chrome extension; having a native app that makes it easy to push data into Fibery and a clean UI would be amazing.

The app can then be developed further as time goes on to add more features.

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Awesome idea :heart_eyes: I think that an app with such basic features already covers 90% of the actual use cases that somebody want to perform on a mobile.

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Agreed. It would allow for quick data capture and influence users to stay with Fibery. Because we know the value, we force it to work even though it is missing some things, but still use other tools because of the ease they offer.

Example: Todoist for project management. 2 main reasons we use it:

  • Easy to input data from multiple devices, including Mac, iOS, Chrome Browser
  • Clear way to form recurring tasks and notify

If I want to create a simple task for my team, I have to go log into the Fibery site on desktop to get a smooth experience. Being able to jot down notes / create docs, or create “task” entities from iOS would be so useful. Making it compatible with iPad and MacOs would fit a lot of needs and keep people pumping data into Fibery.

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Just configuring the web manifest as a PWA would be great start in the right direction. This means that on mobile and desktop it can be “installed” as an app.

Amongst all the other settings (that are important), set "display": "standalone".

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I have been considering for a while to making a Fibery app for data capture for Android, and perhaps also iOS later. So it will not do everything, just be a glorified form (@Illusory - I just read this whole thread including your posts, I now see you ask for exactly this, and I’ve been working on how to do this and came up with the same solution as you propose :wink:), and perhaps do more from there! Something like @Illusory mentioned with the Tana example, thanks for sharing will look into that.

So Android-only first (let me know if that is already useful for you), but Kotlin Multiplatform looks interesting, with Compose Multiplatform (they are techniques to make apps that work with Android + iOS + Mac + Windows + web). It’s still under development but quite far I believe, so also worth exploring.

Anyways, step-by-step works the best! First target, make a basic design, and then make a very simple Android app without any bells and whistles!

Btw my motivation for making something like this is that I see this as a very valuable component for one thing I wish to use Fibery for, enabling better communication in companies who partly work outside and inside - for example garbage collectors and the planning office (I worked on the back of a garbage truck for 2 years). Having a flexible structure that Fibery supplies enables these companies to not only manage their own work better, but make the structure collaboratively - and I think that is healthy and natural. And having a mobile front-end that is very intuitive and easy to use is essential for this to work.

And second reason, it would also be useful for myself, as I keep track of things in my own company and if I can use an app that would make things easier.

Will share updates here and curious about your ideas and wishes!

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