Sep 19, 2024 / đŸ± Pin Relation Views, Search in Relation Views, Filter search results by final state, and many more usability improvements

What’s the use case for knowing which views an entity is shown in?

generating insight by finding / tracing back the information-spaces (discussion-, work-, presentation-, schematization-, association-, sorting-spaces) an entity is associated with / included in / mentioned in.

“Fibery’s set of interactive views helps you to look at the data from multiple angles and (hopefully :crossed_fingers:t3:) get new insights.” So, it would be good to know about all possible associated insights, when looking at an entity + starting the process from that entity end.

As far as I’m concerned, the views aren’t the insights.
The insights are what you get after looking at data = multiple related entities and how they are connected/related.

Maybe I’m missing something.

It is already possible to see what other entities an item is associated with (via relation views) or mentioned by (via back references).

I’m still not sure what one can learn from knowing that an entity shows up in a given view that you don’t already know from looking at the entity itself.

Since a left menu view (board/table/list/timeline) is effectively the result of a query, e.g. “Show me all features, that are not Done, with a due date in the next month, and present them as bars on a timeline”, all the information to know whether a given entity is present in a particular view is already available in that entity’s field values.

Do you have a concrete example of a situation where you wanted to know which left menu views and entity was shown in, and what you could have achieved if it were possible?

Or are you talking about embedded views in documents/rich text fields? In which case, then I see how knowing the context could be useful - knowing an entity is present in a specific embedded view is akin to knowing that an entity is mentioned in a document/rich text field.

1 Like

To be sure, I talk of ‘content views’ generally. as they all generally represent “a way to capture and collaborate on knowledge”. that is insight beyond automated population by queries or linear calculation. So, this can be the text / document views you mention as well as whiteboards.

As to the insights:

For me, all ‘content views’ are actually ‘documents’, in the sense that they are representing / stating some surplus vis-a-vis other data levels, by way of capturing labor + thinking (additional information) not present outside of them.

Such ‘content views’ can represent ‘surplus acts’ like associations, brainstorms, stories, relationship maps, deployment maps, rough sketches etc. and they often require time and multiple observations to produce final insight. So, real and final insight frequently occurs *when one iterates these ‘views’ (constellations of entities) over time, or revisits them given some change in the underlying data sphere (i.e., I might add more entities and then gain a new insight about the entities that were already present). To enable this, it’s necessary to return to these views. Thus, one needs to see where those connected entities are mentioned and one needs to know where to look again.

As to examples:

I could give plenty, but let me give you the schema of it.
For a newly created entity I have connected, existing entities which themselves already show up in / are associated with pre-existing ‘content views’ (existing brainstorming boards for a campaign; a story already developed; a concept or relationship map already cast; a pre-existant deployment map etc).
This linked information can provide valuable cues for considering values or possible contexts for any newly created entity, or ones brought into focus but still outside of those ‘content views’. So, knowing context views of linked cards would help leveraging the system’s interconnected nature.


 one of the possible examples.

Any way to quick create new entity with pinned filter ?

Could you expand the need?


I got an view for all clients in my company, If I quick create new people entity, it cant be assign those filter for the new one

Why not use the +New button in that view (so that the new entities are created with the filter criteria applied)?
At the moment, there is no way to create entities from the left menu with a specific set of filters in mind

Seriously, Have any clients of your guys working without mouse ?
I’m using ipad daily with keyboard only, so workflow should be fast, hotkey C maybe suitable with tab to select pinned filter can be a quicker way for me right now

Indeed we will reserve this C key for Quick Add, but this quick add will not respect any filter on current view.