"Non-admin" mode for admin :0)

In short:

The ability to switch to a mode in which all settings (links) available to administrators are not visible.


In day-to-day work in a “flow” state, all these unnecessary links (apps, buttons, menu items) are very distracting. Excessive cognitive load.

Solution options:

The solution is generally universal and most likely has already been discussed on the forum. A set of pre-configured interface types, with the ability to switch between them.

As an example, how this is implemented in Planfix:

Planfix allows you to customize your interfaces for different users of the system. An interface customized for a specific group or a specific user is called a Workspace. Workspaces make it possible to significantly simplify the use of Planfix, since the user will only see the amount of system functionality that he needs in his work.

Several workspaces may be available to the Planfix user. Switching between them allows you to quickly move from one operating environment to another. This is especially true for managers and those employees who are involved in the work of different departments of the company.


I often suggest to people that if they are admin that they have a second user account that is a regular member so that they can be productive in using Fibery when they are not actually in the process of configuring it.

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Then let’s clarify :grinning::

  • Plan “Solo”?
  • I have 4 users. Add 5th user and pay 5 times more?

It is clear that the easiest way is to create a separate user. But this is not always the best solution: 0)

The example from Planfix is actually a good one. Since it covers more cases than just an example with an administrator.


It’s not clear to me that the Planfix description describes the possibility to define multiple views for the same person, which seems to be your request (?) but rather different views for different people (based on their job roles).

Fibery allows you to define groups and different permission levels for users and/or groups, and the permission level affects the visibility of various elements.

But overall, I think having a toggle that allows an admin user to switch to non-admin view is a good idea :+1:

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I will describe how it works specifically in Planfix:

This is a separate class of settings, separate from the access settings.

You customize the interface elements, what to show and what not. In what form to show. Which items are opened by default when you log in or in applications.

You conventionally call this set of settings “For managers”, “Working with requests”, etc. Separately in “Access to workspace” you specify which employee can use this set.

For example, the system has 10 pre-configured workspaces (interface presets). I have access to 2-3 of them. Accordingly, I can only switch between them.

The administrator in the same way can switch to the set, where all unnecessary is disabled.

The idea behind these settings is to reduce cognitive load and simplify the interface. You only see what it takes to get the job done.

I am currently working on an article - one kind of interface. Analyzing the research results - a different kind.

But okay, these are all lyrics and Wishlist: 0) In Planfix, the implementation is also far from ideal at the moment. But the very idea of ​​such a “focus” of the UI is very good.

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In this form, it will already be enough

I am strongly in favor of this sort of “mode switch”. It is different than but still I think quite similar in concept to this idea I had some time ago for how to make writing in block-based editors smoother:

Quite simply stated, the reality is that in most tools we spend far more of our time creating “content”/data than creating “structure” or administrating. However it is a very nice thing to have editing capabilities easily and quickly accessible. A great example of this is the drag handles on Entity views. Sometimes I am using an Entity view, have no intention of editing it, but suddenly realize I’ve had some friction using a particular field for a while now, and I want it to be in a different position, or have a different name, etc. In these times, the ability to edit the Field config immediately, on the Entity layout is fantastic. But 99% of the time I don’t need that, so the drag handles are distracting, and even occasionally result in an accidental (though usually easily correctable) repositioning of a field. As I have discussed elsewhere, they also mess up the tab order (still not fixed :roll_eyes: ).

This seems like a small problem, and in many respects it is. But it’s also one of those things that contributes to the Fibery interface being more “heavy” and perhaps intimidating for some new users. And, as I mentioned, it subtly but very definitely gets in the way/distracts/etc. for me as a well-versed admin user too.

Long story short, I agree there should be admin vs. non-admin mode for a given user (if they have appropriate permissions of course). This could be a simple toggle on the workspace dropdown in the left-hand menu, to make it global, or on individual Views perhaps, though I think the global toggle is probably best. And I think it should remove e.g. Configure App and Create New View buttons, as well as remove Entity rearrangement controls. That said I would also like a simple modifier key to bring at least some of that back very quickly. See above the linked post about the usability enhancement for block-based editors (there I propose holding down the Alt key to temporarily enable admin-type, e.g. layout, modifications).

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It seems to me that there are two separate needs here:

  • a simple toggle for switching admin to non-admin and vice versa
  • ability to define multiple ‘view personas’ for which each user can switch between depending on the nature of the tasks they are undertaking at any point in time.

Obviously the latter has a lot more implementation complexity to it :grinning:

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At first I wanted a non-admin mode, then my appetites grew :innocent:


Isn’t there a planned ability for different views/layouts of Entities anyway?

I think the ongoing blocks work may help with improving the entity view, but perhaps not explicitly allowing multiple alternative layouts.
Beyond that, individual layouts is certainly on the timeline, but hard to know when it will become WIP.

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