Fibery UX/UI enhancements

Not sure if it solves your case, but it did for me. You can set the to many relation to display as compact list. Then you can set filters on it. Doesn’t show any fields, but idk your use case so I thought I’d point it out.

Good job on the very extensive list btw!! Agree with most of it :))

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Custom icons for views in the sidebar are great, but it’s hard to remember what kind of view it is. I end up adding “table” or “whiteboard” to view name to keep track of what it is. It’d be great if there was a way to preserve the default view icon even when using a custom icon. Maybe default view icon moves to end of view name if a custom icon, which precedes the view name, is being used.

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In both the browser and the Windows desktop app, using Ctrl+click to select and deselect doesn’t behave well when going down to two selected items. Shift+click seems to work normally.

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Everything said so far is lovely! I’ll add four points to this:

  1. Data input. Inputting data in Fibery takes a lot of clicks. I want to quickly and effectively input new data. Tab key to enter new field in quick pop up. And even better is embed form in view. Comments are the easiest way to input data (especially rich text) because the “form” is integrated directly into the view. Plus allowing dynamic filtering in relation fields when in form, quick add, or ask user for input. Especially a problem when name is by formula. I sense good things coming this way with the new required ux due to the required field though!
  2. Reports. They always felt like an odd one out. When viewing source data, it’s this weird table shown nowhere else in fibery, and then if I want to open an entity it opens in new tab instead of in the right panel. It’s inconsistent and feels off with the rest of the platform polished feel.
  3. This one is the most frustrating and I thought of it a bit later. Lists in rich texts fields are really really bad. Doesn’t work like the industry standard. Just copy google docs. Link to post.
  4. Enter behaviour. Needing to CMD+Enter to submit comment, in entity view, pressing enter on basic text field adds new line, while table view it enters. Enter key behaviour is generally inconsistent.
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Some of these have already been stated, but worth repeating. Hopefully this doesn’t come across as an attack, just want to offer feedback to make Fibery even better.

  • Moving Rich Text: Unless you know the control-click shortcut, there is no visual clue that you can do this. Handles or some visual indicator would be so much cleaner
  • Rich Text Lists: bullets/numbers can be turned into check boxes but can’t be turned back. You can’t put a list inside a quote but you can create a quote and then put a list inside of it.
  • Fields on Drop Down: Need additional fields shown on search and relation selection. Designated per database. It becomes so difficult to differentiate when things have similar names.
  • Panel Controls: No ability to pin panels or swap panels or adjust panel widths
  • Board Cards: Should have better layout options. Medium makes the cards too big and small shows everything inconsistently. Adding line breaks would help.
  • Calendar Cards: unable to text wrap making most unreadable, especially when fields are shown.
  • Threads View: not clear where to click to open versus where to click to edit. It would also be great to collapse these.
  • Table View: can’t collapse all rows in table view. For a big table this makes it extremely cumbersome to use.
  • List Relation View: no option to restrict to create only. Way too easy to steal a relation on accident
  • Multiple Databases in a List/Column: If I have multiple database types in a list or board view, seeing “+ database” for every type listed looks terrible. Especially because they are always visible even when not clickable for certain columns/rows
  • Board Rows and Columns: are not clickable and don’t follow the same open type as everywhere else. There’s also a bug that if you click to open a row in a board it closes the active view and opens a previous view on the left panel
  • Dynamic Board Columns: If a column is supposed to hide when empty, it disappears great, but it won’t reappear, even if not empty, until you refresh the page or leave/return.
  • Right Click Menu: way too big. The admin’s buttons should be the focus and not all these generic things like convert. I know what this space is used for and know they are more important
  • Activity Log: for an entity is not very beneficial if there are a lot of automations that change hidden fields. For example if I only want to know when the state changed and who changed it. Activity per field would help this or two columns for shown fields versus hidden fields or a search bar in the activity log.
  • Comments: when I create a new comment and it’s sorted by ‘newest on top’ it always goes to the bottom first and then up to the top after a few seconds.
  • Comment from Automation: When an automation makes a comment, it says it’s by “Private User”. It should just say “Fibery Automation” at the very least and then on hover ideally it would tell you which automation.
  • Relation View Height: can’t make a relation view taller in an entity even when there is nothing below it. So on a lot of larger monitors there is just a ton of white space and a small relation view which makes that relation view harder to use than necessary.
  • Bulk Editing in Relation View: relation views don’t have batch select actions. So if I drag a few items, no bottom bar for batch actions. But it still shows them all selected. So then if I right click and use a button or delete, it’s just one, which looks confusing.
  • Pinned Filters: this may just be my experience, but the first time I interact with a new pinned view filter it seems like I always have to press it twice. If this is similar for every user, they might not use it if they click and nothing happens.
  • View Context Filtering: I’m not sure what this is called, but the “on this table you see only [ x] from [y]” filtering selection. This list becomes unreadable/unusable very fast.
  • Permissions. So powerful, but I think y’all already know that it isn’t very user friendly to figure out how to implement the right space/database/entity mix, but I love the recent development on it.
  • Inviting New Users: I would love to add a user to all the spaces, databases, and user groups, that they will be working on before they get an email telling them to log on. It’s always a mad rush to set them up, because I want it to be ready when they first log on so they aren’t confused.
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Just as a workaround to this: you can create a user with a dummy email address, set them up as you need, and then update the email address to the correct one.

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Is the welcome email re-sent when the email address changes?

It does, we did this jusy recently.

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I would consider many of my existing feature requests to be UX improvements. Like

Specifically for the Sidebar UI, I noticed that the Sidebar now has a default width. But I think the sidebar is unnecessarily widened by having the carrot to the left of all items all the time. I much prefer a skinny sidebar even on my large monitor since I use multiple windows.

Rich Text

  • Nested objects: the ability to press tab and nest blocks of different types under a parent (ex: a quote nested under a checklist item)

  • When creating an entity (Ctrl + E) the most recent entities should be at the top - just like in the quick create button

Views

  • I miss the color… color in calendars and timelines, color in relation fields on entity records. The colored headers or sections previously helped me manage the variety of contexts/context switching in Fibery. It would be great to toggle some of that back on, as a workspace setting.
  • In some views the entire entity is a “button” that opens the entity in a another panel. In others, there is a clear click zone (example board view vs table view). Would love some consistency there
  • Would love to associate an entity layout with a specific view to help with workflow
  • I don’t think pinned filters meet the need as well as competitors do. Due to their unreliability in many views, I am still just editing the filters directly or creating multiple views
  • See select field colors when grouping
  • Timeline View Databases as Lanes
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These are UX issues I consider barriers to adoption:

  • Dates: I have actually given up on these fields in my own workspace. All competitors have solved this in the backend. Fibery asks the user to do to much and still is inconsistent in is behavior. Import wizard is different than user timezone. Sometimes events show up in the wrong day of the month, but they’re not close to midnight in user timezone. It’s due to GMT midnight. Date fields can’t be converted to each other. You can’t sort both Google Calendar databases by included date field in one view.
  • Time: no time formulas or field types
  • No number formatting formulas
  • inconsistent drag and drop behavior. Can we drag entities in tables to groups? We can in list and board view
  • grouping is incomplete and unreliable- there are no data aggregations on groups. I have a bug out and a feature request addressing filtering behavior. It’s unintuitive to add a new record directly inside a group in table and list view. Where to click?
  • Still no gallery view. This is a view type for visual, not data oriented users. The real end users in most organizations are the least technical ones.
  • the Calendar view is hard to navigate. I can’t always see properties in need and it takes a lot of clicks to see all events within the filter. I often want to jump to today in a view but it loads to the top of the month every time. Drag and drop doesn’t work anymore which ultimately made me abandon Calendar views.
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You can no longer delete or select actions on a table in an entity after selecting the checkboxes.
I had to add delete buttons as a workaround.

Try right click

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I assume you are talking about a relation view? Batch actions (like it works on normal sidebar views) should be coming soon.
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This!

Fibery has great potential to become the company OS/Wiki. But the lack of this view makes thing hard for general users and also hard for several applications where gallery view is more appropriate than any other view.

This really need some love.

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When creating relation views this incredibly powerful feature is hard to navigate. In this case, I wasn’t even able to find the relationship chain I wanted to use. I would prefer first selecting the primary relation and then seeing the secondary paths.

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Ah yes, while I think the idea behind this (auto-filters in Views) is absolutely amazing, the way it works is bad enough that I hardly ever bother with it.

The screenshot shows all that’s wrong with it. :slight_smile:

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Rich Text: Removing text/lines almost always results in the removal of, or inheriting of text styles from adjacent lines.

Update: Links as Mentions → this popular UI adjustment in almost every competitor is a huge visual improvement over blue, long, hyperlinks. A URL that converts to the page name and the Favicon is a quality of life upgrade.

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Added some small UI/UX refinements for the new sidebar here. Thanks!

I am sorry if these might be hard to follow. I have been short on time but I thought you might appreciate the feedback even if it isn’t polish, vs. not getting this at all :slight_smile:

I want to give a shout out and kudos again to search indexing comments - real cutting edge here and helps eliminate the need for Slack, no other no-code tools do this. One big issue with comments however remains quoting and the fact that this particular way of formatting doesn’t accommodate a soft return. Soft returns (using “shift” + “return” to preserve a block of text that will all be referenced together across Fibery) are essential when typing in rich text areas if you want to effectively use references. So basically you can’t quote anything with the default “quote” format, and then get a reference in another entity that would include the entire context.

comments could be less dominant, when using them you lose visibility of a lot of the rest of the entity - would help if you could just quote comments ala discourse, and maybe have less intrusive comment boxes across the interface, so you could comment quickly while still seeing most of the rest of an entity.

Search issue I posted about where you can’t filter w/out typing something: Filters for recent items in search

often entity names cut off, can’t mouse over relations (in collection area) and see title, although you can see that in bottom menubar of your browser as a workaround

Inline entity creation with a .com in the name issue that I have the bug logged about, I never got a response - Typing a ".com" with hashtag inline breaks flow of text - #6 by B_Sp

Newly created entities can take 15 - 20 seconds to appear in connection areas. This can be frustrating in meetings when creating a new entity, then trying to link it somewhere…it won’t show up in the results for this amount of time.

When trying to create bulk entities in rich text, you have to use bullet points and can’t use soft return, so references are lost. It’s easy to make a list of items you’d like to convert to entities with a soft return, but Fibery won’t allow bulk creation if you don’t have a bullet list format.

Also using keyboard to create bullets is difficult, not intuitive

In some cases I don’t understand, in many-to-many collections the default does not show a list of related entities to choose from. Recently in one case I was presented with just a “recent” item that I could not remove from the selector without typing in the relation field (I have to type and replace the default text “Create a new document…” when in other cases I get a selection of choices - and I don’t understand the order of those, either). In this case I am not even sure when I accessed the item showing as “recent”

When using big button to create an entity with a start date, you can’t continue to hit “tab” on a Mac to move the focus to “create,” so you lose the speed of keyboard shortcut. You can do this with the “tab” and focus when inline in entities with # (except if you have a .com in the title of the entity per the bug I quoted above)

Again I hope all of this is helpful, thanks!

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I’m desperately looking for All-your-work-in-single-view.

The primary reason why we’re trying to move over from Clickup is because we just can’t find open work. It’s always hidden in some form somewhere in Clickup; either because we can’t do a global filter easily enough, or it sits in a doc as a comment. (Woe be onto you if you use global views in Clickup…)

I want to be able to setup a single view that goes through all entities and shows all open work, in any form. Just a single point that people go to that they know is up to date, always, with ANY open work that remains.

We’ve already moved to entities-as-documents in Fibery because of this.
However, comments are a thorn in our eye because you cannot:

  1. Assign them to people
  2. Filter in views on open comments in rich text fields.
  3. Associate status or priority to them.

I’ve tried to work around this by hacking comments through entities or highlights - but both simply don’t have good UX for any of the main workflows. I’ve also tried using formula’s but haven’t been able to get anywhere. Comments live outside the Fibery ecosystem.

My ideal workflow being that I can construct a view that shows all entities with specific statuses (tasks, goals, epics, comments, docs) that are assigned to me.

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