# Should I Invest in Fibery? (individual PKM use case) **URL:** \ **Category:** Misc\ **Created:** [November 23, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590 "2022-11-23T21:37:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Petr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/petr/32/6391_2.png) [@Petr](https://community.fibery.io/u/Petr)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:55am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/42 "2023-03-31T07:55:25Z")
yes @tpaktop you’re right - EEST. Still battling with timezones 🙏 ---
**Author:** ![YvetteLans](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/yvettelans/32/6101_2.png) [@YvetteLans](https://community.fibery.io/u/YvetteLans)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/43 "2023-04-01T20:28:40Z")
> [@Petr](#): > > Option 2b: Apr4 (Fri) 2-3:30pm EET @Petr What is option 2b? Is it Tuesday April 4th or Friday April 7th? 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Petr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/petr/32/6391_2.png) [@Petr](https://community.fibery.io/u/Petr)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 8:53am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/44 "2023-04-03T08:53:41Z")
Oh my, it was before I realised April 7th is a Easter Friday in most places. It would be tomorrow Apr4-Tue ---
**Author:** ![YvetteLans](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/yvettelans/32/6101_2.png) [@YvetteLans](https://community.fibery.io/u/YvetteLans)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/45 "2023-04-03T13:17:23Z")
> [@Petr](#): > > Option 2b: Apr4 (Fri) 2-3:30pm EET Can’t make it tomorrow. But I’ve booked a seperate call next week 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Petr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/petr/32/6391_2.png) [@Petr](https://community.fibery.io/u/Petr)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 1:38pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/46 "2023-04-03T13:38:45Z")
No problem, we’re going for 1:1s 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Polina\_Zenevich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/polina_zenevich/32/480_2.png) [@Polina\_Zenevich](https://community.fibery.io/u/Polina_Zenevich)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/47 "2023-05-29T11:52:29Z")
Hi, Sarah! I know, a lot of time passed, but Readwise integration is finally here 🙂 (and this topic is really cool, so I’m not ashamed to bump it to make more visible for new users 😅💖 ---
**Author:** ![Minh\_Tri\_Do\_Hang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/minh_tri_do_hang/32/6791_2.png) [@Minh\_Tri\_Do\_Hang](https://community.fibery.io/u/Minh_Tri_Do_Hang)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/48 "2023-06-01T18:02:42Z")
Do we have any workflow for Reader Readwise to Fibery? ---
**Author:** ![Chr1sG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/chr1sg/32/3941_2.png) [@Chr1sG](https://community.fibery.io/u/Chr1sG)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/49 "2023-06-01T18:09:03Z")
> [@May 18, 2023 / Files in Documents, foggy Images on Board View, Dynamic values in relation filters, Readwise integration](https://community.fibery.io/t/may-18-2023-files-in-documents-images-on-board-view-dynamic-values-in-relation-filters-readwise-integration/4466#readwise-integration-4): > > It was too calm here, but now it is time to shake dancer this space with the new release that includes some loooong-awaited features. foggy Images on Board View We tried to implement this feature twice but never succeeded. Finally, it is there. You may see images (uploaded into Files section in an entity) as covers on a Board View. Here is the flow: Upload an Image in Files section inside an entity. Go to Board View, click Fields and select Files and media as a cover image. You may also … ---
**Author:** ![tycecycle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/848f3c/32.png) [@tycecycle](https://community.fibery.io/u/tycecycle)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/50 "2023-07-10T12:15:39Z")
@Oshyan, how do you plan on sharing your PKM templates (if you’re still considering doing that): > [@Oshyan](#): > > I am confident Fibery is capable of everything I want to do with it, and when I get finished, or even half-way finished, I intend to share the templates because I think it will be a pretty cool personal data management setup. I’m exploring using Fibery for my PKM and would love to be able to start by standing on the shoulders of Fibery giants, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Oshyan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/oshyan/32/11431_2.png) [@Oshyan](https://community.fibery.io/u/Oshyan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/51 "2023-07-22T01:20:21Z")
Well, _life_ happened and I was unable to respond to this topic as quickly as I wanted to. Hopefully some follow-up is still useful, especially since PKM still has not received any notable priority 😄 (aside from Readwise integration maybe?). > [@mdubakov](#): > > I do hope to keep individual tier **free** with all the features for as long as possible. I of course love that this scenario is free, however I personally need (and Notion growth was incredibly supported by): **free collaborators**. Not full accounts, just collaborators, if that makes sense. In other words they have their own free, solo workspace, I have mine, and I don’t manage or pay for their account, but we can collaborate in each others’ workspaces in some way. Maybe that’s just Comments or something, ideally more. Look at how Notion handled/handles it. And for _that_ I would pay e.g. $5/mo. But if you can do that for free, all the better. 😉 > [@mdubakov](#): > > I am almost convinced to support PKM use case in Fibery, but I am not sure we can spend significant effort on that use case so far. It’s interesting what are the **major** blockers that will unlock it for you? It’s a pretty poor task manager with notifications the way they are. For me personally that’s a big blocker. Until recently the desire to create “dashboards” that mix content, like different views, free text, etc. was also a missing piece. Now that we have Columns and embeddable Views in regular Rich Text we are much closer to this. 🎉 Further improvements to the block editor would be welcome though, e.g. more of [A few should-be-easy Rich Text features to add from Remirror - HR, mixed lists, collapse lists](https://community.fibery.io/t/a-few-should-be-easy-rich-text-features-to-add-from-remirror-hr-mixed-lists-collapse-lists/3663). Columns was one of those, so it’s great to see that came around. But the other thing that is probably my _biggest_ issue is not unique to _Personal_ knowledge management (and I honestly can’t understand why it hasn’t yet received more priority): better tools and default settings and whatnot to deal with _way too many effing databases_ more smoothly in daily interactions. The prime example is free text # link search, where I believe it would be extremely helpful to be able to set per-Space or at least global Workspace defaults for types to **only** show in linking (by default), with a “show all” as an option, but the default filter would show, well, a very small set most likely (I have **25** total Databases, I commonly link to **less than 5** ). A related issue, which I should report as a bug, is that the # link pops up a list of Recents, but as soon as you start typing it’s sorted by… god knows what, but it’s not recency, and it should be IMO (or at least optionally). The overload of databases became especially egregious when I added Google Calendar integration into my workspace, which is now completely “polluted” with one-off calendar events and reminders, forcing me to either remove integration, or change how I use Google Calendar. I want it integrated so I can e.g. see all my Tasks and my Appointments on a single calendar, which could be extremely helpful, but it’s quite uncommon for me to want to link to those events _in free text_. The same and perhaps worse happened when I added the more recent Readwise sync. It’s even more infrequent that I want to link to something like a _highlight_ in free text (for my personal use case; I can imagine for others it could be quite common!). Let’s keep in mind, of course, that linking to specified databases through _relations_ is much more common and more focused for specific relationships. As a result I almost feel like link-in-free-text database search should have to be turned _on_ for each DB rather than turned off (this is a little too extreme, but I do _almost_ feel this way because fully 80% of my DBs I basically never link to this way, I just use normal Relationships, which already have good filtering, etc. built-in). More discussion of this in [Ability to hide some databases from search/Entity # Link by default](https://community.fibery.io/t/ability-to-hide-some-databases-from-search-entity-link-by-default/4442). Speaking of all that, the final thing I’ll bring up, again not unique to PKM, but perhaps exacerbated by those use cases, is that Search really needs some work. I’ve made numerous feature requests about this so I won’t repeat myself, but I’ll mention that I think serious PKM users will tend to have a lot of Databases. Indeed one of the primary draws for Fibery vs. Obsidian and other Markdown-based tools is the ability to more clearly delineate different “types” of data. And any look at how people use Notion and the many templates available will show you that for just _one_ area of a person’s life they’ll often have several databases. Now add all those areas of life into one PKM, realizing the promise of Fibery, and you suddenly have this massive problem of actually _finding_ what you’re looking for, both in regular search and (as mentioned above) in link search. It’s a serious impediment that I think may be almost worse in PKM use cases, even though of course a full-fledged business use of Fibery could include 10s of DBs too. Just recognize that PKM uses at least as many and you can see how the search problem is critical to this use case. I have seen _some_ improvements here since the start of this thread, so that’s nice, but I do think a lot more work is needed (perhaps “semantic search” will answer much of this, assuming it’s something I can just use by default and don’t have to pay for API access over time). > [@tycecycle](#): > > @Oshyan, how do you plan on sharing your PKM templates (if you’re still considering doing that): I was planning to use [Fibery’s built-in Template sharing](https://the.fibery.io/@public/User_Guide/Guide/Share-Workspace-as-a-Template-57). Since I have many connected Databases in many Spaces it would be a full workspace share, though you can choose to only import parts. Unfortunately I am further from being comfortable doing this than I hoped I’d be by this point (see “life happens” above 😅). But I do believe and hope that there would be pretty good value to some folks once I’m able to do it and your interest is certainly a motivator. I will see if I can make a plan for a phased to polish up my existing systems and maybe plan a phased sharing of what I’m doing. I’ll note that I bet people like @Sarah_Arminta and @YvetteLans probably have similarly or even more expansive PKM setups they might be able to share some or ---
**Author:** ![YvetteLans](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/yvettelans/32/6101_2.png) [@YvetteLans](https://community.fibery.io/u/YvetteLans)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590/52 "2023-07-23T13:14:59Z")
> [@Oshyan](#): > > I of course love that this scenario is free, however I personally need (and Notion growth was incredibly supported by): **free collaborators**. Not full accounts, just collaborators, if that makes sense. In other words they have their own free, solo workspace, I have mine, and I don’t manage or pay for their account, but we can collaborate in each others’ workspaces in some way. +1. I think that everybody that uses Fibery totally agrees that it’s worth the price. Would be really helpful if you can collaborate with (constantly changing) freelancers without having to pay for their accounts. > [@Oshyan](#): > > extremely helpful to be able to set per-Space or at least global Workspace defaults for types to **only** show in linking (by default) > [@Oshyan](#): > > (this is a little too extreme, but I do _almost_ feel this way because fully 80% of my DBs I basically never link to this way, I just use normal Relationships, which already have good filtering, etc. built-in) +1. We currently have \>100 databases in our workspace. A lot of them because of workarounds. It’s not helpful for user to see them all, since only a few are the ones that are suitable for linking. > [@Oshyan](#): > > you suddenly have this massive problem of actually _finding_ what you’re looking for, both in regular search and (as mentioned above) in link search. +1. The current flaw is that if you link A to B and B to C that there is no good way to find out that A is also (indirect) related to C. And therefor there is no easy way to ‘connect the dots’. > [@Oshyan](#): > > I’ll note that I bet people like @Sarah_Arminta and @YvetteLans probably have similarly or even more expansive PKM setups they might be able to share some or Our current set-up is really simple. It’s fully integrated in the rest of the workspace so hard to share it as template. But we have databases for: - Notes - Themes - Tags Further we have a complete workspace with projects, goals, planning, CRM etc. It’s all connected. But the knowledge management part is not comprehensive. > [@Oshyan](#): > > The overload of databases became especially egregious when I added Google Calendar integration into my workspace, which is now completely “polluted” with one-off calendar events and reminders, forcing me to either remove integration, or change how I use Google Calendar. We’ve also didn’t integrate Google Calendar because we can’t make it work in the workspace we’ve built. > [@Oshyan](#): > > The same and perhaps worse happened when I added the more recent Readwise sync. It’s even more infrequent that I want to link to something like a _highlight_ in free text (for my personal use case; I can imagine for others it could be quite common!). At first I was really happy with the release of the Readwise sync. But I didn’t find a way yet to integrate it in the PKM part of the workspace. - Since you can’t change a highlight - And can’t link a part of a highlight (i.e. a sentence) to something else in the workspace Thought about auto creating a note entity per highlight so you can change them, but it feels really odd for me to do that 🧐 > [@YvetteLans](#): > > There is no good option to connect a personal PKM workspace with another team workspace in Fibery. And this is still a bummer. For ourselves and our clients. Even when we do have good permissions, it still feels really odd to have your PKM inside the company’s workspace. Because of all the above, the further development of our PKM is kinda on hold. It functions as is with the simple databases mentioned above, but it could be a way better solution in the future. [Previous page](https://community.fibery.io/t/should-i-invest-in-fibery-individual-pkm-use-case/3590.md?page=2)