# Rule Formulas cannot access any entity fields for built-in User DB

**URL:** <https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318>\
**Category:** Bugs & Issues\
**Tags:** automations, formulas\
**Created:** [September 19, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318 "2022-09-19T21:32:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 6\
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**Author:** ![Matt\_Blais](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/matt_blais/32/1464_2.png) [@Matt\_Blais](https://community.fibery.io/u/Matt_Blais)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318/1 "2022-09-19T21:32:59Z")

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NO entity fields are available for use in a Formula within a Rule on the built-in User DB.

E.g., try to create a Rule for the User DB that uses a Formula to update the value of a custom (user-added) field. It can’t be done.

You can turn the User Name into a Formula field, which works as expected (and that Formula **can** access the the User fields).  
But you can’t do the Rule-based equivalent of this - using a Rule to update the User Name with a Formula.

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**Author:** ![Polina\_Zenevich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/polina_zenevich/32/480_2.png) [@Polina\_Zenevich](https://community.fibery.io/u/Polina_Zenevich)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 10:49am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318/2 "2022-09-27T10:49:57Z")

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Hi, Matt!  
Screenshots would help a lot in fact  
We failed to reproduce the issue 🙂

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/fibery/original/2X/7/776f96c9089330a7f8ddf568748cd8b890e4aad6.png)

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/fibery/original/2X/2/216ca789f7f532600ce5e215f8b15aba1c14f4c3.png)

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**Author:** ![Matt\_Blais](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/matt_blais/32/1464_2.png) [@Matt\_Blais](https://community.fibery.io/u/Matt_Blais)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318/3 "2022-09-28T17:45:47Z")

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![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/fibery/original/2X/d/d29887f2675fbb61f12c0dfa97d39bfbf17fe5d1.png)

I cannot reference ANY fields in the User type here in this new Rule.

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**Author:** ![Chr1sG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/chr1sg/32/3941_2.png) [@Chr1sG](https://community.fibery.io/u/Chr1sG)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318/4 "2022-09-28T17:51:38Z")

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You need to use [Step 1 User].[Last Name]

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**Author:** ![Matt\_Blais](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/matt_blais/32/1464_2.png) [@Matt\_Blais](https://community.fibery.io/u/Matt_Blais)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318/5 "2022-09-28T18:42:13Z")

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Doh! 🤦‍♂️  
😂😂😂

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**Author:** ![mdubakov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/mdubakov/32/10_2.png) [@mdubakov](https://community.fibery.io/u/mdubakov)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/rule-formulas-cannot-access-any-entity-fields-for-built-in-user-db/3318/6 "2022-11-22T15:30:32Z")

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