# \[✔️ DONE\] Whiteboard: move forward, move back, lock **URL:** \ **Category:** Ideas & Features\ **Created:** [July 8, 2020, 9:30am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827 "2020-07-08T09:30:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ChrisSparkT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/chrissparkt/32/597_2.png) [@ChrisSparkT](https://community.fibery.io/u/ChrisSparkT)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:30am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827/1 "2020-07-08T09:30:37Z")
Whiteboard is definitely getting there guys. I want to use whiteboard for Miro-style card sorts over SVG background images. I need to be able to control object layer ordering as most tools would (move forward, move back, move to front, move to back) as well as lock individual objects. Miro does this very nicely. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/fibery/original/2X/a/a7d54405d33cc595092908ab234bca2036a8ffa7.png) ---
**Author:** ![Jean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@Jean](https://community.fibery.io/u/Jean)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827/2 "2020-07-08T09:43:21Z")
YES for this!!! I tried to group multiple “shapes” to represent a group of something. I tried with a transparent background rectangle, but there was no way to move the layer to the back so I could select those shapes in the group. If I wanted to edit something I need to move the “group” shape, edit stuff and add it back. ---
**Author:** ![B\_Sp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@B\_Sp](https://community.fibery.io/u/B_Sp)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827/3 "2020-07-08T22:15:06Z")
Agreed guys! And @Jean and @ChrisSparkT, curious your thoughts on this feature of Whiteboards: > [@In Whiteboard, "Transparent" or "Empty" to represent Parent Entities](https://community.fibery.io/t/in-whiteboard-transparent-or-empty-to-represent-parent-entities/667): > > Hi guys, I’d like to ask if you could consider a aspect of Whiteboard where a parent entity could be viewed as an “empty block” or group around its children. Something like this: This is an image I did in reference to another work management app, but the point is that the “grouping” block would be the parent entity, with the “task” blocks the children. This is very useful for expressing software systems - tiers of development for example, or Master Features that contain many sub fe… What I’d like to do is get some visualization of “grouping.” Chris, I have in fact been using Miro for this need… I get the impression that you both may be after what I’m hoping for as the end goal of Whiteboard: Being able to see your Dev System visualized, with all the connections that actual exist in it on the various layers, live update? And “both ways,” what I mean by that is you can **both create a diagram** , and then link it and create real linked and grouped components in the system, like micro services, integrations with third parties and show the directly data flows, etc; or, **auto generate the diagram from existing entities.**. Sorry for another plug, but I mentioned that here, too: > [@Auto-Generate linked diagrams in Whiteboard](https://community.fibery.io/t/auto-generate-linked-diagrams-in-whiteboard/684): > > Hi Guys, I wanted to ask about the ability for Whiteboards to show existing entities in an App, or even Cross-App, as well as relations. In my use of Whiteboards, which is a big reason I’m using Fibery over other solutions, I’d like to be able to both “create” in a whiteboard, then convert to Types and Entities, but also show what I have already set up in my work structure that exists within apps. Thankfully, you have made great strides on the former - it’s possible to do a lot right now to d… Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![ChrisSparkT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/chrissparkt/32/597_2.png) [@ChrisSparkT](https://community.fibery.io/u/ChrisSparkT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827/4 "2020-07-09T08:08:22Z")
Agree @B_Sp that would be a powerful way to use whiteboards although it slightly replicates functionality of boards when categorisation is clear cut. The good thing about using Miro and other post-it note replacements (particularly with consulting clients) is that it allows edge cases and ideas to emerge in a free form way with the structure as only an indication of where things should go but not a pre-ordained category. Would also love your second suggestion - we are creating models with crazy amounts of relational interconnections so the Entity Tree just looks like a tangle - it would be good to have more control over that to be able to explore the data and make certain types superior to others. ---
**Author:** ![mdubakov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/mdubakov/32/10_2.png) [@mdubakov](https://community.fibery.io/u/mdubakov)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 11:49am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827/5 "2020-10-30T11:49:19Z")
Lock, Bring Forward and Backward actions are implemented in Whiteboard View. ---
**Author:** ![mdubakov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/community.fibery.io/mdubakov/32/10_2.png) [@mdubakov](https://community.fibery.io/u/mdubakov)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2021, 6:33am UTC](https://community.fibery.io/t/done-whiteboard-move-forward-move-back-lock/827/6 "2021-12-19T06:33:27Z")